Eternity in the Heart
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Eternity in the Heart
The Bible says in Ecclesiastes 3:11: "He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end."
What does it mean to you that God has set eternity in the heart?
What does it mean to you that God has set eternity in the heart?

Noel George- Moderator
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I think the first half is interesting also...
my version states...
He hath made every thing beautiful in HIS time: also he hath set the WORLD in their heart, SO THAT no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
my version states...
He hath made every thing beautiful in HIS time: also he hath set the WORLD in their heart, SO THAT no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

austin- Not Austin Stephens
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So what do you think that means?

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Almost makes it sound like He is purposefully leaving us in the dark...

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what is time?
time measures change... or duration. It is part of creation and is an instrument of God.
time had a created start point - therefore it will have an ending point. Because it has a beginning, it is not eternal ( or reality ) nor can ever be eternal because eternal by definition is without a start. Time had a start and expresses and measures things that are seen and the things which are seen are temporal also.
time is not eternal, and eternal is not unending time. eternity is something different.
Eternity IS Gods life. Eternal life ( Gods life ) is a quality of life, not a quantity of living. 1 Jo 5:20
God's life is the only thing that never began, never will end, and never can change. God is the only reality. Spirit.
A spirit not seen, and the things which are not seen are Eternal.
we have been given eternal life. which is to say - we have been given Gods very own life. We have been made real. We have been taken out of the illusion of the temporal age of time and we have been given a life that has no beginning and has no end. A life that is not measured and a life that is non-changing. TIMELESS. Not primarily so we will live 4-eva in time, but so that we can rise above time into the eternal life of God right here and now until the " time " when there will be no time.
What i believe this verse to be saying is that God has set a sense of time in the hearts of man... to let them think they are from the temporal world of time in order that they may be exercised in it to finally express His Eternal ( Timelessness ) Life.
This might be portrayed in the natural with sleep. When you rest at night you lose all sense of time.
In the true sabbath - or rest - we will no longer have a sense of time ... we will only live in the Eternal.
What a wonderful plan.
time measures change... or duration. It is part of creation and is an instrument of God.
time had a created start point - therefore it will have an ending point. Because it has a beginning, it is not eternal ( or reality ) nor can ever be eternal because eternal by definition is without a start. Time had a start and expresses and measures things that are seen and the things which are seen are temporal also.
time is not eternal, and eternal is not unending time. eternity is something different.
Eternity IS Gods life. Eternal life ( Gods life ) is a quality of life, not a quantity of living. 1 Jo 5:20
God's life is the only thing that never began, never will end, and never can change. God is the only reality. Spirit.
A spirit not seen, and the things which are not seen are Eternal.
we have been given eternal life. which is to say - we have been given Gods very own life. We have been made real. We have been taken out of the illusion of the temporal age of time and we have been given a life that has no beginning and has no end. A life that is not measured and a life that is non-changing. TIMELESS. Not primarily so we will live 4-eva in time, but so that we can rise above time into the eternal life of God right here and now until the " time " when there will be no time.
What i believe this verse to be saying is that God has set a sense of time in the hearts of man... to let them think they are from the temporal world of time in order that they may be exercised in it to finally express His Eternal ( Timelessness ) Life.
This might be portrayed in the natural with sleep. When you rest at night you lose all sense of time.
In the true sabbath - or rest - we will no longer have a sense of time ... we will only live in the Eternal.
What a wonderful plan.

austin- Not Austin Stephens
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Time, meaning that there is a beginning point. God is transcendent (outside of time) and also imminent (close, inside of time). This is something that He has decided to do. He is everywhere at once (inside and outside of time) and yet He is in heaven- a fixed point. God is beyond our understanding, eh?
God has set eternity in the heart of man. We are temporal and yet eternal. We know that we have been born, yet we can "sniff out" the fact that there is more to life than just this temporal place. God has put it in our hearts to know Him throughout eternity. To live in a timeless time= eternity.
Isn't God cool?
God has set eternity in the heart of man. We are temporal and yet eternal. We know that we have been born, yet we can "sniff out" the fact that there is more to life than just this temporal place. God has put it in our hearts to know Him throughout eternity. To live in a timeless time= eternity.
Isn't God cool?

Noel George- Moderator
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well - herey is whatey i thinkey.
1.) God is not at a fixed local in heaven - spirit has no location and is not part of width, length or height. In fact a personally believe that heaven is not a place to go and the only " place " God will be will be in you and I.
2.) our bodies have been born ( formed ), but we were in God before that - simply because Christ is our identity, so our eternal life has " always " been as well as " always " will be. before He formed me a body in my mothers womb, He knew me.
In regards to the verse you posted - i think in context it is implying time or seasons - punk.
1.) God is not at a fixed local in heaven - spirit has no location and is not part of width, length or height. In fact a personally believe that heaven is not a place to go and the only " place " God will be will be in you and I.
2.) our bodies have been born ( formed ), but we were in God before that - simply because Christ is our identity, so our eternal life has " always " been as well as " always " will be. before He formed me a body in my mothers womb, He knew me.
In regards to the verse you posted - i think in context it is implying time or seasons - punk.

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And may the force be with you!

Noel George- Moderator
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and a good " live long and prosper " to you too.

austin- Not Austin Stephens
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i guess i should add - only kidding.

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I do believe that God can be in one place and in every place at once. The fullness of the godhead dwelt bodily in Christ Jesus.
When we get to heaven, we will greet Jesus, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made, and at the same time His presence will be everywhere at once. Maybe this is just semantics.
Jesus said, "In My Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with Me that you also may be where I am." John 14:2-3.
John the Revelator is given the dimensions of heaven, 1500 miles cubed. Rev 21:10-11,16 states ‘And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper… And the city is laid out as a square, and its length is as great as the width; and he measured the city with the rod, fifteen hundred miles; its length and width and height are equal.’
The New Jerusalem is the home of the saints and check out its size: 1500 cubic miles. 1500 x 1500 x 1500. That’s one and a half times as long as NZ, or ¾ of the width of Aussie. But it is as high and long as well! If you split it into rooms 1 mile long, 1 mile wide, and 1 mile high (which is slightly bigger than my room at home!) it could fit 3 billion 375 million. If you spent 1 hour talking to each person in 6000 years (the time of Adam to now) you would have spoken to 52 million leaving another 3 billion, 300 million! Gulp. Lucky we have eternity! It has been estimated that if only 25% of the New Jerusalem is split into good size rooms it will fit 20 billion people. Jesus wasn’t exaggerating! In his Fathers house are many mansions and that many will come…(thanks Mr. Gordon)
A place. A literal place. A literal place where God's gravity will still be acting upon us. A new heaven and a new earth.
God created this earth and said, "It is good." Do you think that God's first creation is lesser than His new creation? I don't. I think the new earth and heaven will be without sin. That's great. All God and no devil. Heaven.
When we get to heaven, we will greet Jesus, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made, and at the same time His presence will be everywhere at once. Maybe this is just semantics.
Jesus said, "In My Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with Me that you also may be where I am." John 14:2-3.
John the Revelator is given the dimensions of heaven, 1500 miles cubed. Rev 21:10-11,16 states ‘And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper… And the city is laid out as a square, and its length is as great as the width; and he measured the city with the rod, fifteen hundred miles; its length and width and height are equal.’
The New Jerusalem is the home of the saints and check out its size: 1500 cubic miles. 1500 x 1500 x 1500. That’s one and a half times as long as NZ, or ¾ of the width of Aussie. But it is as high and long as well! If you split it into rooms 1 mile long, 1 mile wide, and 1 mile high (which is slightly bigger than my room at home!) it could fit 3 billion 375 million. If you spent 1 hour talking to each person in 6000 years (the time of Adam to now) you would have spoken to 52 million leaving another 3 billion, 300 million! Gulp. Lucky we have eternity! It has been estimated that if only 25% of the New Jerusalem is split into good size rooms it will fit 20 billion people. Jesus wasn’t exaggerating! In his Fathers house are many mansions and that many will come…(thanks Mr. Gordon)
A place. A literal place. A literal place where God's gravity will still be acting upon us. A new heaven and a new earth.
God created this earth and said, "It is good." Do you think that God's first creation is lesser than His new creation? I don't. I think the new earth and heaven will be without sin. That's great. All God and no devil. Heaven.

Noel George- Moderator
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Dont you know that You are the house of God... and his abiding place.
anyway - glad you brought up revelation 21 ( it is my fav on this topic )
first you have to look at that verse you quoted in context and also understand that it was " signified " or made into symbols...
Here is verse two for your 1st clue - 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, PREPARED AS A BRIDE adorned for her husband.
next is verses 9 and then verse 10 that you quoted - this is awesome to me. - 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
ok - so the angel said that he would show him the Lamb's wife and then proceeded to show him the holy Jerusalem.
Thats because the New Jerusalem is the Bride... US.
and the best part is verse 21 - ... and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Only one street in this city... One Way. Jesus. HE is the only way to the Father.
anyway - glad you brought up revelation 21 ( it is my fav on this topic )
first you have to look at that verse you quoted in context and also understand that it was " signified " or made into symbols...
Here is verse two for your 1st clue - 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, PREPARED AS A BRIDE adorned for her husband.
next is verses 9 and then verse 10 that you quoted - this is awesome to me. - 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
ok - so the angel said that he would show him the Lamb's wife and then proceeded to show him the holy Jerusalem.
Thats because the New Jerusalem is the Bride... US.
and the best part is verse 21 - ... and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Only one street in this city... One Way. Jesus. HE is the only way to the Father.
Isaiah declared, "Behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing." And John writes, "I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. --Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife... shewed --me that great city, the holy Jerusalem." (Revelation 21:2, 9-10).
Jerusalem is not a literal city in another world somewhere, it symbolizes a PEOPLE who are prepared to be joined unto their Lord in a holy union of oneness which shall bring joy both to their Lord, and to them-- a relationship that brings REJOICING. She has "the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious... and had a wall great and high..." Again we note that Isaiah prophesied of all this, and of the day when "Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise." (Isaiah 60:18).
The description is beautiful, the gates, the foundations, the precious stones-- all of which, without doubt, hold special meaning, were the Lord to quicken the understanding accordingly. But there is one phrase that stands out for me-- Revelation 21:16, "The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal." There is COMPLETENESS IN EVERY PART. Quality is not sacrificed for quantity. There are no highs and lows. Equality is revealed in every dimension and inworking. When every one is brought "unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ," all will be equal-- God all in all. When He is THE ALL in you, and He is THE ALL in your brother-- that's true equality.
"For God has allowed us to know the secret of His plan, and it is this: He purposes in His sovereign will that all human history shall be consummated in Christ, that everything that exists in heaven or earth shall find its perfection and fulfillment in Him." (Ephesians 1:9-10, Phillips). When He is the PERFECTION and the FULFILLMENT for every creature, His redemptive work will have wrought what no man has ever been able to accomplish-- divine equality! Total satisfaction! And perfect peace and rest!
"And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God." (Revelation 22:3). Here is the ultimate goal of God's purpose being wrought out through the ages. Here is the victory of the Redeemer! A people, in whom, and with whom He can dwell. And yes, a God in whom the people can dwell. We are to ABIDE IN HIM, even as He abides in us! All of the processings which we have noted through the book are to this end, that God might tabernacle with men. God speaks very loudly in His action, in His works. What He does is a revelation of His inner thought, will, and purpose. "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." (Genesis 1:26). WHY? The ultimate answer, TO DWELL IN! It begins with an outworking of His purpose in the natural, earthy, but it will not end until He has raised the whole up to the spiritual. "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly." (1 Corinthians 15:49).
"My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be My people." (Ezekiel 37:27). These are not idle promises! These are not lofty dreams that will fade away into nothingness. This is the Word of the Lord giving hope to all His creation. When our Redeemer came into this world to give His life for us, even then the angels announced it, saying, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." (Luke 2:14). He promises peace because the Prince of Peace came to initiate that redemptive process whereby it could be realized. "The work of righteousness shall be peace, and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. " (Isaiah 32: 17). "GOOD WILL" shall come to men, because He will thoroughly cleanse the earth, and then make His tabernacle with us.
Where there is peace there is no inner controversy. However deep the inner purgings may go, however extensive His dealings may be, there is but one glorious goal in view, "That you may be filled through all your being unto all the fulness of God-- that is, may have the richest measure of the DIVINE PRESENCE, and become a body wholly filled and flooded with God Himself." (Ephesians 3:19, Amplified).
"Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men," for men become the "habitation of God through the Spirit." (Ephesians 2:22). It is significant that the Greek word here for "habitation" is "katoiketerion" and is made up from two parts, literally being: DOWN-HOUSE. He will house Himself down into "men, to dwell in men as His fixed abode. And then "God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away... Behold, I make all things new!"

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Where will this Bride be? Will be be floating throughout all eternity?
Will be be just spirits with no body?
Of course these are rhetorical questions, because Paul fleshes all of this out for us in his epistles. I ask because I am not sure that you are connecting the dots of Scripture.
I know that Heaven is where God's reign is, but we are creatures of locale. Jesus created space and time. Even the spirits are in space and time.
You may say, "Time will be no more..." Yes, but to talk about the only place that God will be will be in you and me sounds "Star Wars"ish.
Almost sounds like the Gnostics, as if matter is wicked.
Will be be just spirits with no body?
Of course these are rhetorical questions, because Paul fleshes all of this out for us in his epistles. I ask because I am not sure that you are connecting the dots of Scripture.
I know that Heaven is where God's reign is, but we are creatures of locale. Jesus created space and time. Even the spirits are in space and time.
You may say, "Time will be no more..." Yes, but to talk about the only place that God will be will be in you and me sounds "Star Wars"ish.
Almost sounds like the Gnostics, as if matter is wicked.

Noel George- Moderator
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I know that Heaven is where God's reign is...
Yes - the reign of God is Heaven or His kingdom.
Neither shall they say, Look here! or, look there! for, behold, the REIGN of God is within you.
If God had a physical Body to dwell in already why did He create us to be His body, and why did He place His very Kingdom in US?
The truth is matter is not wicked - Eventually ( really already ) God is going to be all in all, and that includes matter. All i am saying is that God is not a Man.
and if heaven is a fixed spot, and we are going THERE to this fixed spot - that means that heaven is a material world also, and some even say that God is 6 ft 2in with brown hair and sits on a actually throne.
what i say is that heaven is spiritual and by definition non-material , and the spiritual is coming to dwell in the world of matter... not the opposite. That God made this earth " very good " knowing full well that the curse was going to happen - God could look down the corridors of "time" , seeing Sin, and still say after all was created .... it is very good. and that adam and eve didnt sidetrack him where He thought " now I have to destroy this and start afresh . Its a shame."
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Lord - I want your will to be done on earth as it is in heaven.

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I actually thought that God was 6' even! Just kidding.
I agree, Heaven is spiritual, but I also believe it is material, too. Jesus had a resurrected body that was able to be touched; which means that we will have physical/spiritual bodies, too.
Heaven will be able to be felt, touched, experienced, etc. It is not juvenile to think that heaven will be a literal place; a kingdom of heaven on earth. God created the material world and tells us in Revelation some very specific details of the physicality of heaven.
I agree that God is not a man, but Jesus is the Godman. Physical and spiritual.
I agree, Heaven is spiritual, but I also believe it is material, too. Jesus had a resurrected body that was able to be touched; which means that we will have physical/spiritual bodies, too.
Heaven will be able to be felt, touched, experienced, etc. It is not juvenile to think that heaven will be a literal place; a kingdom of heaven on earth. God created the material world and tells us in Revelation some very specific details of the physicality of heaven.
I agree that God is not a man, but Jesus is the Godman. Physical and spiritual.

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